Poxbox windows to be replaced!

409 · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: Poxbox windows to be replaced!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/23/2372009.htm

bingley_hall · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject:

409 I think you should fill in our listeners as to why this is such big news otherwise they may wonder why such a seemingly inconsequential piece of media nonsense is being brought to their attention.

BTW I'm too lazy to go and post in the other threads, but a damn fine job old chap with the pics and vids of the NRM from last weekend you posted elsewhere on RB.

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409 · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject:

With pleasure Bing.

Unlike the Comengs in Melbourne, the Poxbox's have two panels of glass rather then one in the window frame. For the past 3 or 4 years, the outer window panel has had a plastic film applied over the entire window to help prevent grafitti artists on the basis that the film can just be peeled away and replaced. To a certain degree, that hasn't been done often. In between being peeled off for replacement, the film has to be cleaned. The window cleaner that TA use is acid based and is supposed to be applied in a 1m/2 section at a time. These windows are obviously larger then 1m/2. Obviously, the cleaning crew decided to do the whole window in the one go with the result that the acid based cleaner cannot be removed quickly enough. The result is that the window cleaner eats away at the film and makes the window worse then before! The windows over the passed 2 or 3 years have turned opaque on the vast majority of the Poxbox fleet with 3111/3112 perhaps being the worst. You cannot see anything either from the inside out or vice a versa.

I have taken a couple of photos to show you all what I mean. These are not the worst by the way although certainly getting up there.

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I'm more interested in the 1980's Comeng interior. "The difference between a chopper Comeng and a normal Comeng is...

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Secret Agent · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:05 am Post subject:

That could get replaced as well in the next couple of years Notchie, as we have also been promised an interior upgrade of these cars as well, more good news, there must be a bloody election coming up with all this news lately! Oh by the way the film is also on the inside windows as well so that makes it worse still! Cool

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goolgarrah · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject:

Does this mean the Pox Boxes will be normal trains again - I.e. you'll be able to see through them like on normal trains?!

Secret Agent · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

Oh and other big news is that more standing room is going to be made in them by removing some seats, this would probably be the same as what they did in the jumbo's making 2+2 seating instead of 3+2 as they have now. When they start to do this watch the letters to the editor page get swamped by people, who had to stand for 20 minutes from Brighton to Adelaide or summat. They did just that, complained that is, when they did it to some Jumbo railcars!

The reason for removing some seats is that you can actually get more people into a railcar than you can now, just incase anyone wanted to know why seats are going to be removed! Cool

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roundhouse_rat · Shit Kicker Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Posts: 28

Hey driver I miss my station couldnt see the nameboard though these fucking windows.

wonder why they called poxboxes, cant see out a window just imagine what disease you catch of the seats Herpes?
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simont141 · Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 318 Location: Adelaide

I'm glad they're getting rid of some of the seats, as long as the general populace is polite enough to offer their seat to someone that needs it. Aren't a lot of trains in busy places like India and Japan standing room only?

bingley_hall · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject:

Secret Agent · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject:

I for one don't want them to be popular just functional and able to move the masses. The days of Redhen style railcars has long passed.

By the way the Murdock Times (Adelaide Advertiser) has now run a poll and found out that most of Adelaide's trains are past their use by dates, any one care to comment from Adelaide or SA or anywhere really! Fart

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goolgarrah · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:12 am Post subject:

Well Secret Agent, I haven't had a chance to ride on the 2000's yet but the 3000's seem ok - compared with Sydney Standards. Sure the windows are an issue and maybe the retro decor (for those who dislike the 80's) but other than that they seem fine... Bit louder than what I'm used too but then again they are diesel...

At least 100% of Adelaide's Tram/Train fleet are air conditioned - thats a BIG plus. Sydney still has heaps of un air-con trains and not too long ago there were heaps of Tullochs floating around... Check it out: http://www.theintercityplatform.com/images/suburban/t4862-central.jpg and http://www.theintercityplatform.com/images/suburban/t4850_bottomdeck-circular_quay.jpg

TheLoadedDog · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:17 am Post subject:

Yair, 80s decor is a bit modern, I agree.

Now V sets - there's some good decor. Reminds me of the NSW Department of Education furniture of my primary school days. You can NEVER have too much fake wood panelling and green vinyl. NEVER, I sez!
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goolgarrah · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:25 am Post subject:

Speaking of the V Sets, do you remember when they had the old decor for the seats? Not the green Vinyl - but a mix, it was like orange vinyl and in the middle it was similar to the current material in the 3000's?? Thinking back a even further I can JUST remember the predecessor to the V-Set, they were called U-Boats wernt they? and they were single deck. Do any groups run those? They would bring back some fond childhood memories... *tear*

TheLoadedDog · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:32 am Post subject:

NSW electric preservation is an even sadder topic than NSW steam preservation, in many ways. Let's not go there - other to say that I grew up on the U boats, thety are my favourite train in the uni-fucken-verse, I miss them terribly, and yes preserved examples exist.

I remember the cloth orangey-brown V set seat trim - now that's 70s.

V Sets have been described as the NSWGR's "last hurrah". I agree with that, and the decor is no exception. Not that 70s decor was that great in and of itself, but that it was the last time from when railways came into being in England until recent times here that a train was built along the lines of, "Here's a carriage with comfortable seats and a pleasant environment, not built around concerns of vandal-proofing and making decent people feel like cattle in a cold, hard, clinical plastic environment." From the Tangara on, we lost all that. I've seen the same in Victoria - dunno about elsewhere.
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