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Simes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now this is my really old girl - mkI merc, was 1930 another Kingsgrove one, except it was sold to Fearnes of Wagga Wagga back in '90 or 91 - went and picked her up on the APEC weekend, these guys are a credit to the industry, they've been running buses since 1916, although it seems this is about to end Sad They were great to deal with, they gave us spare parts for various Leyland chassis and for me, they topped up the coolant and the tank was full! (basically these have 200 litre tanks, what with the price of diesel...). This girl was the "spare spare" bus, in damn fine nick though.

The mark ones were a missing link between the leyland leopard body design and the VoV inspired mercedes benz body design of the mark twos and threes. Although I don't think it was intended that way, but alot of features in the mkI's carried over from the leopards, while others were started with the mkI's and carried on through to the II's

Down at Wagga Wagga when a mate checked it out for me

Got a spare weekend? Let's go get some buses....



Eventually I'm going to reinstall the side and rear desto displays and paint er up in this livery
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheLoadedDog wrote:
I don't really know me buses, I'm afraid. I have to admit though, I'm sorry to see the Sydney Mercedes fleet down to the size it is. The new ones are butt ugly, but the old Mercs looked good, and sounded great. You could always hear one coming and knew what it was before you saw it.

I also liked the old split windsreen jobbies that the Mercs replaced. what were they? Leylands or summat?

The newer they are the less soul they have - the newest are diesel volvos and mercedes benz CNG buses (being delivered now) and I know me buses, but unless I see that pod on the roof, the fleetnumber, or some kinda badge, I couldn't tell which was which, they're just so fucking soul less and sound so the same, there was a time you could tell a B10M (volvo) from an O405 (merc) and from a SL200 (MAN) by the sound of it and sometimes by the body. I guess this is part of the reason why I went out and bought a couple (no doubt more will join them in the future)
Anyone know of some cheap land out Windsor way? Happy Satan

Yeah you're right on the split windscreen jobbies, they were Leyland Leopards

Oh yeah the ye olde pics are by a good bloke who drove at Waverley and Newcastle and is now a V set guard, TE2815 might know who I mean Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simes wrote:
The mark ones were a missing link between the leyland leopard body design and the VoV inspired mercedes benz body design of the mark twos and threes. Although I don't think it was intended that way, but alot of features in the mkI's carried over from the leopards, while others were started with the mkI's and carried on through to the II's

Do you have any pics of the Leopards? I'm curious how they compare to the old Dunedin girls.

Here's some pics I plundered from the net of what I grew up with:
Trolley buses:

http://www.myweb.net.au/mottram/trolleybus/nztb/nztb.htm


http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/5100/

These were followed by I think MAN midi & mini buses, but no luck with photos there either. Since privatisation, buses in Dunedin are a motly collection that put dodgy brothers to shame. At one point there was a flood of Japanese second-hand buses also.


Leyland? # 140, 141, 142
I can't find photos, bar this nice conversion to a motorhome - not sure if it's a Dunedin one or not, but looks pretty similar (more pictures on the site).

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Buses/More-than-45-seats/auction-191619272.htm

Leyland Panther # 143-152
I can't find photos, bar this bastardised one (more on the site)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Buses/36-45-seats/auction-191609029.htm

Nissan Scorpian # 153-167


http://www.geocities.com/nzbusmuseum/inservice/ndnz/dct.html

Leyland Leopard # 168-179

http://www.omnibussociety.wellington.net.nz/buslocation/leyland/dct.html
Leyland Leopard # 180-207

http://www.omnibussociety.wellington.net.nz/buslocation/leyland/dct.html
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally different look over here, at least in Sydney anyway
there's ya public transport commission mkI leopard all PMC bodied
http://pics-by-leopard1543.fotopic.net/p30273627.html
and ya PTC mkII leopard PMC and Smithfield bodied to the same design
http://pics-by-leopard1543.fotopic.net/p45016601.html

check out that page, he has alot of old Sydney pics
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's great to see the shared interest in the Sydney Merc's!!

My personal fetish was for the old Leopard's - I recall in 1993, Citybus on the Gold Coast operated a handful of those old Sydney girls ona routes between Southport and Broadbeach. They had an exhaust note that would put a horn on a jellyfish, and went very well for their age.

Being a good bus gunzel, I took a trip on one over this said route, and I'm sure the driver was doing everything he could to kill it. Held the accelerator flat to the boards through all gear changes, and slammed the gears straight through. When I used to drive similar beasts, I used to drive them like a crash box - and wait for the revs to die down a bit between gears. Not so in this case!!

In 2006 I bought MKIII Merc 2629, which I had viewed in a previous visit to Sydney. I paid about $6,500 for her. Drove her home ot Brisbane at 78km/h flat bikkies via the New England. Made it to Scone on the first afternoon - (had previously been awake all night before flying to Sydney). Next day made it to Toowoomba, an then home to Brisbane.

I was impressed with the little Merc. She had a small leak in the fuel tank where the straps held the tank in, and apart from that she was faultless. Only dropped down one gear up the Moonbi's. I found that the console for the coin tray was the right dimensions for iced coffee carton and smokes - well, it was only on trade plates and wasn't carrying anyone!! Shit-eating grin

Over the next three months, to get her registered in QLD, we had to go through quite a lot of bullshit, which we did reasonably well if I say so myself. We had to pull all the panels off to inspect the frame for rust. The frame was still like brand new underneath!!

After that, we had to put "roll-tops" on the seat bars, and a few other odds and ends, and we were on the road.

I leased it out with Red & White coaches of Sandgate, Brisbane, where it saw use on school runs, as well as the odd charter, and some rail replacement work. It was a favorite amongst drivers there too.

Sadly, due to some less desirable business outcomes in 2007, I had to sell her. Sisil's Buslines of Wynnum, Brisbane bought it, and painted it blood red, and still use her. Mainky on party bus type work.

When I bought it, I made sure we retained all its "Sydney" type features, because when it was planned that when she would be finished in service here, I would have liked to have seen her go to a museum or club, and go back into a "Sydney" livery. We kept the desto roll and equipment, and didn't alter anything inside or remove the centre door.

Anyway, here are a few photo's of the adventure....
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here is what the finished product looked like....
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They used to have those buses when I were a rebellious little teenager in Victoria on Ventura buses: in winter the back seat was very desirable a/c of the warmness that would be present from the engine.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes. That brings back some good memories! Around the same era, Toowoomba operators bought up a lot of ex Adelaide MkI AEC Swifts, with the rear mount 690 AEC. Same deal.... in winter, always go the back seat..... and that sheila that went o the all-girls school up the road too, preferably Devil
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninthnotch wrote:
Have to admit, old buses are kinda cool.

Here's one I'm kinda hoping to save and have it arranged to preserve running (once I can find its VIN or original rego and get its ownership sorted out). It's an ex-Victorian Railways Road Motor service 1965 Bedford petrol engine on a ComAir body, numbered 381. Even has a crash box.

It has cool longitudinal seats in it and used to run between Camberwell and East Kew, as a replacement of the former Deepdene service, which was given the arse in the 1920's, thus the route number painted on. It's currently at the back of Seymour Bus Lines depot, which is oddly enough located at Seymour - hoodathunkit?

The VR had its own fleet of buses, used on the former VR tram routes between St. Kilda-Brighton Beach and Sandringham-Beaumaris as well as a route in Broadmeadows and the East Kew route I mentioned.



Fucken once it's done up (hopefully soon - I plan to go up this month if I can and see if I can find some paperwork on it) it'll look pretty fucken awesome.


Now THAT's the tits! A proper, unadulterated Comair - with a (presumably a 300) petrol! Getting rarer and rarer too - most are chook houses or mobile caravans. McCafferty's took one of these to Ayres Rock on a red centre tour in the 60's. Still recall the picture of it, with the water bag hanging on the front bull bar.

If that were in Fiji, she'd get a wash, and filled up with fuel, and put into service tomorrow Shit-eating grin

Good luck with the project 'notch. It'd be bloody excellent to have that in preservation as it was in its VR days.....
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and by the way - if its missing one of those front wheel "hub caps", I have one left over from my VAM I used to have. Cunts of things though - hard to keep them on the wheels.....
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to get onto my dad's pooter to get the full set of them; it could be driven some years ago, but time (and access) has prevented any further work. I have the allocation document and the rego number now (MZS381) and now know it is in fact owned by VicTrack and allocated.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, but if you want sexy old Bedford, you can't go past these little beauties:

http://www.omnibussociety.wellington.net.nz/fleet/3583.html

The one you showed above is similar, but completely different at the same time to a slightly later model operated by the NZRRS (New Zealand Rail & Road Services).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roller wrote:
And here is what the finished product looked like....


Now that's the way to do a white bus mate, I like the black detail around the drivers window. How did you do it round the back? Looks so much better than just ALL white

Such a shame you had to sell her Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody wrote:
Here's a good use for trams:


Used to be a couple of W2 classes in this location but it was replaced with another pair (taken out of storage and stripped) after some fuckwits set it on fire.


Thats a SW6 Class Tram
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