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Overhead going from the goods lines?

 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Overhead going from the goods lines? Reply with quote

Saw this rumour going around on another board about the goods lines in the metro area:
http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36136

Anybody know if there's any truth in this? If I can be selfish, it would make the metro goods lines a lot better for photography.. Cool

Having said that, could it be a bit short sighted? I can't imagine the 86s being used again tho.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be a shame.

Despite what they're saying in that link, I think the juice is available from Flemo all the way to about Canterbury. It's true though that nothing uses it - they don't even run empty V sets down there any longer.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extremely short sighted if they do rip it down.

In 20 years, when they're stringing the lines back up, they'll ask who's the moron who thought that'd be a good idea?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you should specifically mention V sets Dawg, A few years back now there was trackwork affecting all lines between Illawarra Junction and Lidcombe, I travelled via Sydenham, Campsie, Enfield and Flemmo goods junction to Lidcombe on a Blue Mountains V set. OK, that might happen once or twice a decade, but it seems silly to go out of your way to make it impossible unless there is extra cost involved in leaving 'em up.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last I heard (a year ago now) was RailCorp wanted to reclaim control of Enfield Yard to store some of their sparks in, as they're somewhat short of stabling faciilities elsewhere. They had blokes in measuring the track and overhead and all that other bollocks, but I dunno what came of it.

If the rumour is true, then obviously nothing, but I think they still need somewhere to store these hundred-odd new trains and Enfield will go some way to doing that...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have the goods lines (used and disused) been looked at for passenger services? I know the tram/light rail uses the old goods line but what about the rest? Obviously not Botany but any of the others? By rights the tramline could go to Dulwich Hill but you'd want a bigger transport than that for the distance.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well someone thinks light rail will do ok - there's a fair few posters on lampposts and the like in the area saying "Extend the light rail to Dulwich Hill". Maybe light rail would cover it as a sort of feeder to the main system (espcially if they put a decent link such as escalators up to Lewisham station to make it an interchange also) - my main issue with the current setup is it goes a fair distance but only feeds to Central. Even better if a new metro or heavy rail passes through Rozelle.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I have been told, the crossovers between the Bankstown Line and the Metro Goods at Campsie are not going to be kept (I don't know if they will be ripped out, or just booked out), which is also rather short sighted, as it just takes away another operational aspect. Although, take that out, and take out the overhead, and one isn't much good without the other.

Does mean we won't see this again:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/raichase/2617997226/in/set-72157600267689726/

The Minno container shuttle ran via Bankstown due to congestion somewhere on the line between Sefton/Enfield and Campsie. It crossed over via the crossovers at the city end of Campsie station.

Will also make it harder for trackwork trains to get to and from worksites, at least on the Bankstown line anyway....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KRviator wrote:
Last I heard (a year ago now) was RailCorp wanted to reclaim control of Enfield Yard to store some of their sparks in, as they're somewhat short of stabling faciilities elsewhere. They had blokes in measuring the track and overhead and all that other bollocks, but I dunno what came of it.

If the rumour is true, then obviously nothing, but I think they still need somewhere to store these hundred-odd new trains and Enfield will go some way to doing that...
The rumour I've heard, completely opposite that of yours, has upon completion of the SSFL, ARTC taking over all the Goods lines from Flemo Jct, and Meeks Rd to Campbo, which virtually means ownership from Flemo through to Dynon!

This would have the BM/MB freighters only dealing with FailCorpes between Broadmeadow and Flemington, and in another sense, all the heritage mobs, Thirlmeres, Canberras (...and even Cowras?) not dealing with RailCorp until they hit the points at Meeks Rd. I reckon RailCorp would have smiled at that one!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Overhead going from the goods lines? Reply with quote

Somebody wrote:

Having said that, could it be a bit short sighted? I can't imagine the 86s being used again tho.


Bit hard to be used again when they've all been scrapped - most short sighted decision ever.

Even the Kiwis can run electrics as bankers on the north island trunk, and they dont have the traffic density we have.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Overhead going from the goods lines? Reply with quote

Mickonthehill wrote:
Somebody wrote:

Having said that, could it be a bit short sighted? I can't imagine the 86s being used again tho.


Bit hard to be used again when they've all been scrapped - most short sighted decision ever.

Even the Kiwis can run electrics as bankers on the north island trunk, and they dont have the traffic density we have.

There's still a few around.

Apparently RailCorp is taking back possession of Enfield Yard, and there will be some changes to the roads in the yard as well as a new through road built.

Stick that one up your arse!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bwana wrote:
Funny you should specifically mention V sets Dawg, A few years back now there was trackwork affecting all lines between Illawarra Junction and Lidcombe, I travelled via Sydenham, Campsie, Enfield and Flemmo goods junction to Lidcombe on a Blue Mountains V set. OK, that might happen once or twice a decade, but it seems silly to go out of your way to make it impossible unless there is extra cost involved in leaving 'em up.

That reminds me of a similar V-set detour that I heard about - except this one was not caused by trackwurx but rather a signalbox clusterfuck (read: wrong-roading). The chrine in question was a coastie Rodney Dangerfield so of course the journey was the other way around, sort of. Around Flemo, past TLD-Post Razz and through Enfield, Campsie and past the back of the XPT centre at Meeks Rd.

The train crew became belatedly aware, as they went through Eveleigh, that they were not descending into the Illawarra Dive; and by the time there was some (heated) communication happening, the chrine had already passed the PONR.

The chrine did eventually arrive at the gong/Dapto/Kiama/wherever - with a "scenic" detour that made it only 45min late Laughing

A journey that would not now be possible, especially around Meeks Rd; there is some catenary that has been outright removed already in the area.
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