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Raichase
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Sounds like it would be pointless if I went there with only an 18-55mm lens for wide angle shots!
It's interesting that I have rarely seen train photos from that area compared to some of the other spots in the Illawarra. Any particular reason I wonder, or is it just less well known?  |
It's all about access, and the attitude of the average buff.
The average buff is an unsociable bloke who just wants to rack up as many 3/4 photos of trains as he can to take home and add to his private collection. He will often scorn others in the hobby, but will refuse to share any of his own efforts.
Then there is the collection of folks we have before us, who is all about having a laugh with mates in the company of trains (or having a laugh with trains in the company of mates?) perhaps with a stubbie in one hand and a camera loosely grasped in the other. It's all about getting a couple of good shots, but also about having a great day out with mates.
That any help, or just a random vent of stream from the Raichase Cave?
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Somebody
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| The average buff is an unsociable bloke who just wants to rack up as many 3/4 photos of trains as he can to take home and add to his private collection. He will often scorn others in the hobby, but will refuse to share any of his own efforts. |
Sounds like me!  (except possibly for the "not sharing" part)
Back on topic, I have thought before that there are two sorts of railfan photographers:
- Those who want to take an image showing what a train looks like, not caring much for the "photography" aspect of it.
- Those who have a genuine interest in photography and capturing scenes.
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drwaddles
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| I find the line blurs with me and my road photography (or even rail archaeology) between taking 'inventory' type photos and capturing scenes.
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Bwana
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Location: about 1km south of EH23.15
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Back on topic, I have thought before that there are two sorts of railfan photographers:
- Those who want to take an image showing what a train looks like, not caring much for the "photography" aspect of it.
- Those who have a genuine interest in photography and capturing scenes. |
Wasn't the topic a specific trip of the pig's?
Anyhoo, I think this is similar to my recent realisation about Railpictures - that all they're interested in is the train (sometimes I wonder if they have any interest in anything but the lead unit). I won't submit to them anymore because, to be honest, I find most of what they accept quite boring. If you include scenery, even unusual lighting, they're not interested. Without either of these I rarely bother pressing the shutter - and if I do it's because the train is something special, you'll very rarely see a photo of mine of an emu, or even a NR, 81, 82 or 90 class that doesn't have something else to it. Now I'm not dumping on railpics, that's what they want and there seems to be enough people that agree with them. I'm just saying I aint one of 'em. I'd put them strongly in the former of Somebody's categories, and myself firmly in the latter.
BTW my last shot was taken from just a bit up and to the left of the (c) in Anita's pic. I'm guessing the spot isn't often used because, well, good luck finding the tunnel under the line to get to the western side. Bald Hill, you do need a very high zoom to make the train a significant part of the pic. As can be seen the scenery is worth including though. Here's one I took at 10x zoom, a bit further around the bend towards the viaduct:
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Somebody
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I've requested for the Stanwell Park discussion to be split into another thread where it won't disturb the pig lovers.
And the people at RailPictures might like to disagree with your comment there..
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We encourage creativity in our submissions. Please avoid uploading the standard 3/4 wedge shot; we would much rather see a nicely composed angle instead.
Going away shots are generally not accepted unless they are composed in a creative/artistic manner or depict an unusal set of power or train.
Cloudy day shots of standard and common power are typically rejected. Exceptions are made for photos featuring interesting or artistic compositions, or where clouds/fog/etc. are used for artistic effect. |
(Of course you can't deny that their bread & butter is the usual wedge shot showing the lead unit with not all that much scenery)
I'd rather get an angle like Anita or Fred's at that spot with the train amongst the scenery than trying to make it the main focus. I love the combination of the bush with the ocean 
What I wonder is what time of day would be best to go there at this time of year? Fred's shot had good lighting and was taken at 7-8am according to the EXIF. Wonder if it'd be on the other side in winter? 
But then again, Bwana's one from Coalcliff had the sun on the other side and was presumably taken in the afternoon.
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TheLoadedDog
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I've requested for the Stanwell Park discussion to be split into another thread where it won't disturb the pig lovers. |
Yeh nah...
I think this falls within the usual realm of wayward wanderings taken by threads on message boards (esp. this one). It's not like a fight's broken out or anything, so I don't see a real need to split it. I will split off the non-pig stuff if the thread starter requests it - and in this case, that would be one Mr A. Tuft. So it's up to him. His thread, his call.
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Bwana
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What I wonder is what time of day would be best to go there at this time of year? Fred's shot had good lighting and was taken at 7-8am according to the EXIF. Wonder if it'd be on the other side in winter?
But then again, Bwana's one from Coalcliff had the sun on the other side and was presumably taken in the afternoon.
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Never though about it before, but there could be a full day activity involved here... Fred's and my last pic (which is the same train about 30 seconds later) were both taken in the morning - my recollection is not quite as early as 8, but definitely firmly in the morning. You could definitely walk there from Otford, but I wouldn't count on doing it in 10 mins - I'd put it in the 20-30 min category (but have never done it so I'm guessing). Spend the morning at Bald hill (What might deter the punters, as has happenned both times I've taken others there, is that it's seriously windy). Back down to Otford for a train trip to Stanwell Park (AFAIK no walking track between the two, and the road is narrow, windy and doesn't have a footpath so probably too dangerous) for lunch, then either next train to Coal Cliff or walk straight to the spot my first pic was taken at (it's much closer to Coal cliff, but probably still closer to Stanwell Park than Bald Hill is to Otford). The sun was off the tracks by about 4 last weekend, and off the stauntions by 4:30, so maybe keep it for daylight savings though.
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Argus Tuft
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I will split off the non-pig stuff if the thread starter requests it - and in this case, that would be one Mr A. Tuft. So it's up to him. His thread, his call. |
No big deal for me. Let it be. Threads wander all over the place on this board so why worry? I'm probably one of the least disciplined for sticking to the topic. 
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Somebody
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| You could definitely walk there from Otford, but I wouldn't count on doing it in 10 mins - I'd put it in the 20-30 min category (but have never done it so I'm guessing). Spend the morning at Bald hill (What might deter the punters, as has happenned both times I've taken others there, is that it's seriously windy). |
Thanks for the reply Bwana - I take it that there's nowhere safe to walk from Stanwell Park to Bald Hill, but it should be right from Otford? I don't mind a bit of walking. Glad that I've gotten that advice though - would be seriously pissed off if I went to Stanwell Park (with it's two-hour train frequency) and found it was the wrong station for that spot.
As to it being windy - would taking a tripod to keep the camera still while trying to take a shot be a loony idea?
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Bwana
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Actually IIRC there's no footpath on the Otford-Bald hill road either, but traffic is much less frequent and drives more slowly. Also, leave the station from platform 1, take the road about 100m, turn left, over the line and continue up the hill and you come out not far from the lookout. There is a road straight up to Lawrence Hargrave Drive from platform 2, and a takeaway joint there to boot, but then you'd be dodging the much busier LHD traffic around a tight hairpin, again with no footpath.
I would have said a tripod was necessary considering the amount of zoom you're going to need to use, windy or not, but keep your hand on the tripod too, it wouldn't surprise me is a tripod got blown over some times.
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Thanks Bwana.
While we're discussing photo spots in the Illawarra, I saw this shot a while back and thought it would be a good angle worth trying, never seen it used elsewhere though.
http://www.pauljones.id.au/pic/527/L_set_Horse_&_Cart_at_Albion_Park
Any guesses to where it could possibly be? I would guess that it'd be between Albion Park and Oak Flats, possibly that drain (?) under the rail line shown on the map. I'll have to scout it out for myself, probably next week
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simont141
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| Do you often get 2 car sets? On all my trips over there I've never seen one.
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Bwana
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Looks like a newish housing estate behind, so I'd guess between Albion Park and Oak Flats. Looking at the map there's a drain about a block south of Maccas, I'd be starting there I think.
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Raichase
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| Do you often get 2 car sets? On all my trips over there I've never seen one. |
The two car L-Sets have been built up to 3 car sets now. So yeah, no more 2 car sets .
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drwaddles
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| I know it says Albion Park, but it looks too hilly for me. I'd be more inclined to think its somewhere east of Croom tunnel.
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